Jordan Peterson – IQ and The Job Market



So, here you go. This is from the Wunderlich people They're a commercial company that makes general cognitive ability tests. And it's often used by corporations (whispering) Even though it's actually illegal. It's actually illegal to use IQ tests. But the Wunderlich doesn't… promote themselves as testing IQ I think they – I think it's general cognitive ability which is the same thing but whatever. The SATs, the GREs, the LSATs, all of those, they are IQ tests so.. Now they're more crystalized than fluid; we'll get to that in a minute Crystalized knowledge is what you accrue across time So you could say that fluid intelligence is what programs your brain, It fills it with facts, let's say, it fills it with knowledge But you can get an estimate of your intelligence then By sampling your domain of factual knowledge and the reason for that is, well obviously, The better the programmer, the better the content And so what that also means is that you can If your prefrontal cortex was damaged later in life your fluid IQ could plummet but your crystallized IQ remains more or less intact So even though they're not different, One produces the other, and then once the producer… has produced, then the producer could disappear and you've still got the encoded knowledge so, then at least that's how it looks to me Okay so how smart do you have to be to be different things in life? Well… If you have an IQ of 116 to 130, which is 85th percentile and above, so It's one person in 8 up to one person in… (to himself) 130 I believe is 85, 90? 95? Is it 95? I think it's 95. One person in 8 to one person in 20. Then you can be a attorney, a research an analyst, an editor, an advertising manager, a chemist, an engineer, an executive manager, et. cetera that's the… now That's not the high-end for IQ, by the way You know, it can go up Well it can go up indefinitely, Although there's fewer and fewer people as it goes up. So, if you want to be the best at what you're doing, bar none, Then having an IQ of above 145 is a necessity And maybe you're pushing 160 in some situations and maybe that's making you one person in 10,000 or even in 100,000 And then also, To really be good at it you probably have to be reasonably stress tolerant and also somewhat conscientious So people, and you think well Why is it that smart people are at the top of dominance hierarchies? And the answer to that, in part, is because they get there first. Right? And everything's a race, roughly speaking And the faster you are, the more likely you are to be at the forefront of the pack Intelligence in large part is speed That's not all it is, So if you're moving towards something difficult rapidly, the faster people are going to get there first So IQ of 115, 110 to 115 So that's 73rd to 85th percentile Copywriter, Accountant, Manager, Sales Manager, Sales, Analyst, General Manager, Purchasing Agent, Registered Nurse, Sales Account Executive If you look at universities, the smartest people are -they're above this- Who are the smartest people at university? What do you think? Mathemeticians. Physicists and Mathemeticians, right. I could tell you who's on the other end but I won't! (laughter) Yea I'd like to though! (laughter continues) Anyways, okay. Going down the – now… 103 to 108 is slightly above average, right? 60th to 70th percentile Store Manager, Bookkeeper, Credit Clerk, Lab Tester, General Sales, Telephone Sales, Accounting Clerk, Computer Operator, Customer Service Rep, Technician, Clerk, Typist So you see at this level People have some technical skill and some ability to deal with complex things Okay, that's dead average 100 is average Dispatcher in a General Office, Police Patrol Officer, Receptionist, Cashier, General Clerical Inside Sales Clerk, Meter Reader, Printer, Teller, Data Entry, Electrical Helper. (silence) 95th to 98 Machinist, Food Department Manager, Quality Control Checker, Security Guard, Unskilled Labour, Maintenance, Arc Welder, Die Setter, Mechanic. Good IQ range for relatively qualified tradespeople 87 to 93 Messenger, Factory Production Worker, Assembler, Food Service Worker, Nurse's Aide, Warehouseman, Custodian/Janitor Material Handler, Packer. Now what you're seeing – what you're starting to see is that as you move down the hierarchy The jobs get simpler They are more likely to be assigned by other people, or they're repetitive because what IQ predicts to some degree is how rapidly you could learn something but once you've learned it, it doesn't predict how – necessarily how well you do at it. and so the more repetitive jobs tend – people with lower IQs are more suited to more repetitive jobs under 87, Is there something? Well! No! Right. That's a big problem. And it's something our society has not addressed at all! Jobs for people with IQs of less than 85 are very, very rare. So what the hell are those people supposed to do? It's like, it's one – it's fifteen percent of the population! What are they supposed to do? Well, we better figure it out. Because one of the things that's happening too is that as the as the high-IQ tech Geeks get a hold of the world The demand for cognitive power is increasing, not decreasing, right? You want to be a teller? Well you know, those checkout machines they're not so simple! You want to work at McDonald's? You think that's a simple job? You don't see robots working at McDonald's! And the reason for that is that what McDonald's workers do is too complex for robots to do! So Well, so this is a discussion that no one wants to have. But that's okay. It's still a problem. And it has to be dealt with. So the US Government – I think I told you this at one point already – It's illegal to induct anyone into the US army if they have an IQ of less than 83, right? It's about 10% of the population Because the US Army, they've been doing IQ testing since IQ testing began Because they want everybody they could possibly get into the army Because at peace time they use it as a way of moving people up the socioeconomic ladder… And in war time, well obviously You need as many soldiers as you can get your hands on And so you're not going to be any pickier than you have to be. So when the US Army says it's illegal to induct anybody into the armed forces if they have an IQ of less than 83, then you know that they've done it for absolute necessity. Right? And when people have made a finding that contradicts what they want to hear, and they're doing it out of absolute necessity, you can be reasonably true that it's one of those facts that just won't bloody-well go away And so you might think that well if there's nothing for someone with an IQ of less than 83 to do in the army, what makes you think that there's something they can do in the general population? And then the issue is – because you know the conservatives, they'll say "well, they should just work harder" it's like, sorry that ain't going to fly! And the liberals will say "well, there's no difference between people anyhow!… …And you can just train people to do everything" and that's wrong! So they're both wrong! And they're seriously wrong! And the fact that neither side of the political perspective will take a good cold hard look at this problem Means that we're going to increasingly have a structural problem in our societies because we're complexifying everything so rapidly that you can't find employment! Unless – increasingly unless you're intelligent You guys are really going to face this you know, Lawyers are disappearing like mad and the reason for that is – you can look it up online – increasingly you can do things yourself if you're smart and so the working class people have been wiped out pretty nicely you know, in the last 30 years by automation and various other things It's the low end of the white collar class that's coming up next so I'm not saying that lawyers are in the low end, but low-end lawyers are in the low-end of the white-collar class So there are still going to be plenty of positions for people who are creative and fast on their feet and super smart In fact those people are going to have all the money and that's already happening to a great degree you know, because if you're smart and you can use a computer, you're so smart it's just absolutely unbelievable and if you can't use a computer, and lots of people, and I don't mean you know, you can open word, that isn't what I mean I mean – maybe I mean you can program and if you can't program, well, you're right at the next end so if you haven't got that with you, you're… you're going to be left behind (student) what's going to happen to them, when that happens? When you have, you know – (Peterson) oh well a lot of them will take Demerol That's what's happening in the United States Yea, it's an opiate. Yea, so there's a massive drug problem emerging and – (student) *inaudible* … under 83, or whatever it is, is about 15% of the population (Peterson) yea, yea, no I'm telling you, that is what's happening, they're – (student) what you're talking about seems like that percent of the population is going to increase (Peterson) Yes. Drugs! Yea, drugs of abuse. (student) *inaudible* …15% of the population falling out of society well that's what is happening to a large degree is people drop out of the employment race they get very depressed, they develop chronic pain problems especially if they're men, because chronic pain and depression are very much the same thing, and then they subsist on opiates, which are subsidised by Medicaid in the US. I'm not kidding about this, this is exactly what's happening! What else is going to happen to people for whom there is nothing to do? They have a terrible time, especially if they're conscientious. (student) how large will that stratum of people grow? (Peterson) That's a good question! You know, the AI guys are pushing hard on this Hey! What's the biggest employment category? Driver Think about it. What's Tesla doing? What are all the AI guys working on as fast as they possibly can? Driverless Cars! No problem Except that's the biggest employment category for men. So what are those guys going to do? Yea, they're going to sit at home and, you know, be miserable with their wives and take opiates because they have chronic pain problems right Nasty and you might think well – could they think up something else to do? Well if you have an IQ of 83 or less you're not going to be doing a lot of thinking about something else to do you know, that isn't how it works because you're more of a – you're an 'act' person, not a 'thinking' person. roughly speaking you know, and so if you have a task at hand, and especially if you're conscientious, you can diligently go about it but you know, I've tried to train people with IQs of 80 and less to do… what I would consider tasks that that one of you could learn to do in 10 minutes and never make a mistake again and it's like tens of hours with bare-minimum mastery of the task Yea it's an ugly situation, no doubt about it.

48 Comments

  1. Aethervoid said:

    Humans tried to cheat natural selection more and more in the last centuries with improved medicine and welfare programs. Its not that i dont appreciate or take advantage of these benefits, but helping the weakest of our species to survive, might not be the greatest of ideas, especially now where the size of our pack isnt equivalent to our chance of survival anymore. As brutal as it sounds this is in my opinion whats causing about 80% of socioeconomic and psychological problems in todays society

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  2. Randy Ozaeta said:

    "What IQ predicts to some degree is how rapidily you can learn something, once you learned it, it doesnt predict how well you do at it"

    This make sense but to say someone in a lower iq bracket cant learn how to be a ceo is not part of that equation just that it takes longer and some with lower iq could even be a better ceo then someone with higher iq so we should focus on eduction and how best to teach everyone in a bracket at a higher nonimal rate therefore it wouldnt hinder them from doing anything by taking to long to learn …. because they could in theory according to petersons explantion do a better job so why not design society to have the best person possible on the job? Not just one who can learn quickest? Why keep tedious jobs which waste humans potential? ….

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  3. Randy Ozaeta said:

    So if i study for an IQ test am i smarter?….

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  4. Patricio Costa said:

    How do i know my iq???

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  5. Buddy Mckay said:

    Never taken a proper IQ test, but I learn fast and often finish other peoples sentences when they have troubles articulating. Was never a straight A student, but always got A's in things I was interested in. Always been an avid reader of wikipedia and watching documentaries. My workplace has always been messy and I'm highly creative on impulse with some pretty complex ideas. Wish I was normal mentally, since being bipolar takes a heavy strain on my true potential in the long run. Will still keep on trying tho'

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  6. Chad said:

    and people wonder why the suicide rate is increasing?

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  7. mark s said:

    How do I find out my IQ

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  8. Max Poirier said:

    "you don't see robots working at McDonald's" this has aged poorly

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  9. TheTRUTH IsOutThere said:

    So basically, intelligent people with high IQ's cannot be unmotivated, uninspired, undriven, and unenthused about being a stereotypical societal slave, and don't give a shite about money, income, and wealth???. Another thought that I have regarding IQ, as we all know that certain people have been dumbed down intentionally, b/c after all we can't have everyone in society be a genius or there wouldn't be much competition and oppression. Is IQ genetically predetermined or is one's experiences and schooling a major IQ factor? I hate the IQ debate! It's extremely depressing to know that true knowledge, history, and facts are being withheld…

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  10. Caronte said:

    Don't take life too seriously, after all, nobody gets out alive of this at the end… Anyone is miserable at his own level.

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  11. Joe Callaghan said:

    "Lawyers are disappearing like mad". Sounds great.

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  12. Joe Callaghan said:

    What is the IQ (on average) of a stay at home parent?

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  13. artemis fowl said:

    1st class in my undergraduate degree and distinction in my masters, currently working as a financial analyst and yet i still question my level of intelligence everyday

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  14. Jacob Andersen said:

    It’s crazy how my IQ, depending on the test I’ve taken, ranges between 123-127 and even even though that puts me in the higher end of percentile of the population, I still feel so inadequate and slow.

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  15. portal said:

    3:13 psychologists lol?

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  16. mihovecz jozsef said:

    Learn To Code.

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  17. stevenstrumpf7 said:

    The itsy bitsy spider went up the water spout, well, down came rain and washed the spider out, it's no bloody wonder! Out came the sun and dried up all the rain, you know what that's like, now the itsy bitsy spidery went up the spout again.
    Of course it works that way! Unless there were something fundamentally flawed about you.

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  18. rkingsiv said:

    2:00 IQ of 145

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  19. Rati Mati said:

    Well, at least because of Peterson, I know I am a dumb failure fuck, with low iq that will work on some minimum wage job, thier whole life. Oh well, time to start drinking then.

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  20. Alan Chen said:

    Yang and Peterson would have an absolute ball day.

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  21. Sunnysasdaisy said:

    Conclusion we all just need to evolve more still in many ways to come to a better and sustainable society.. Starting with creating a healthier environment with less pollution would be great and having an attitude of care and humility. Good things take a lot of time, nobody said being a human was gonna be an easy job or that we would have it all figured out quickly. I do believe however that there are certain impacts out there delaying and stunting with our overall growth.

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  22. Ian Derbyshire said:

    Jordan didn't mention though that jobs vary in IQ range. For example, managers have a very tight IQ range with under 110 being rare while jobs like computer programmer are quite wide. The thing is that IQ is a cumulative score and it doesn't help if someone has a lopsided IQ score.

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  23. zadose said:

    15% of America has an IQ below 85? Probably bastard children born of single mothers that live off govt. assistance… those people will be easy slaves when the Democrat tyrants take over.

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  24. Gone Biking said:

    Donald Trump is president of the United States! His theory is shot to hell

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  25. Joshua Legault said:

    My iq is 140 and being a machinist is still difficult because it's a problem solving job. You're literally inventing how to make things all day long and you're pushing your creativity to the max. Complex surfacing and fixture and programming machines that cost more than your house to make parts that are for medicine pumps that have to have a flatness of 2 light bands to parts for spacex or the Mars rover. Literally one of the most intellectually demanding trades. You should replace machinist with debating Matt dillahunty over religion.

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  26. kenjryker said:

    20 per cent of the population are starting to realise that this game called society holds nothing for them. No wonder Trump's base and those of other authoritarian charletans are so mindlessly committed to nothing more than giving a giant and permanent 'F-you' to the rest of society. If this is not addressed it could well be the end of our civilisation, just as Rome, Greece and others have disappeared after flourishing for centuries.

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  27. dragonore2009 said:

    Guys, luck plays a big factor in this. Imagine for a moment you catch a break, you are offered a good paying job after being unemployed for about six months that starts in a few weeks. The job is 150 miles away from your current location. So okay, you have enough money to move, to store your household goods in a container and you managed to find good living arrangements with someone (luck) on a weekly basis (no contract). So a week before you start your first day you decide that is the time to finish the move and officially relocate to the new address. The day comes and bam, your car doesn't start. Well you don't have alot of money, you budgeted enough to do the move and not much more. The repairs is beyond your reach, so now you decide to taxi over there, well your lease of your old apartment ends in a week, so you need to pay to haul the car somewhere, more money you don't have. You ask for an emergency loan, but because Democrats in office place too many dumb regulations on "preying to the poor credit companies" you are denied a loan. Do you guys see how luck really plays a big factor, I mean BIG factor.

    The above story did not happen to me, but just as well could have.

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  28. Grappler senpai said:

    My IQ is 142……..
    I'm working at Walmart,
    I Don't have money for a college education and barely have enough to pay rent,
    At the end of the day,
    My nearly perfect grades in highschool and my high IQ doesn't matter to the rest of society,
    Since I don't have momma's money like the rest of highschool students,

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  29. Its Just an Apple said:

    If my iq is 110 is there any change for me to surviving as engineer?

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  30. geovtech vlog said:

    @ 5:30 he said "mc Donald's jobs are too complex for robots to do" I disagree!!!… Automation can replace fast food service in a blink of an eye.

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  31. Kendrick Lamar said:

    Recently took an iq test. Scored 118. Im so thankful!

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  32. 野島デンジ said:

    IQ <83 job suggestions:
    Prostitute/Callboy
    Drug Tester
    Crash Test Dummy
    President of the United States

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  33. Mohannad Salti said:

    Genetic Engineering. That is the solution. One generation past and then we can get us an average IQ of 150< all around the world. And yes there would still remain some inequalities in people's cognitive abilities but in this way, we can guarantee that everyone contributes to society willingly.

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  34. Destrudo Alexandros said:

    I wont work for no other man

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  35. Shane Roberts said:

    The problem can be improved with extreme hard work!

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  36. dragonore2009 said:

    I don't know if I put much stock in this. I'm a computer programmer, and I feel like a dumbass sometimes. It doesn't seem like I would have an iq in the 110 to 115 range. It is probably lower.

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  37. Ryan Ross said:

    There are entire countries and entire races(Australian Aborigines) that have an average IQ below 87. That explains a lot

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  38. watchthe1369 said:

    How it looks to me……Prove it wrong/ right we'll learn something…… THAT is real open mindedness.

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  39. Alistar zacalac said:

    Is everyone's intelligence under investigation in this lecture ?

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  40. Hi How Are You? said:

    Systems analyst need an iq of 116+ to be good at their job? Fuck. I think I picked the wrong degree 🙁

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  41. Attila Banhegyi said:

    Seems a bit alarmist… if someone is 'unemployable' in the future, with technology advancements they'll get integrated with machines, cyborgs. Solutions will present themselves as the problems arise

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  42. sanmedina said:

    There's just something that doesn't seem right with these stats. I just don't believe 20% of the population is too dumb for any blue collar job. Or at least i fail to see it's modern society making jobs harder. Somebody that needs 30 hours of training to envelop letters would not have survived hunting mammoths either. Did he write a book about these findings?

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  43. NickM said:

    So why in the hell U.S. is importing low IQ degenerates from shitholes around the World since 1965? Murika already has over 70 million of useless imbeciles who think that socialism is a good thing.

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  44. Abakus said:

    I dont have Einsteins IQ but I think ive found a possible solution and im serious about this. This is no mockery: The American Government(or private insitutions can provide rural(country) areas where low iq people can live slowly and comfortable like in the 1800s(VOLUNTARILY!!) (compare it to amish people) and enjoy!!! their life in an village-like setting. And there is one thing i guarantee you: Only through the food quality and lack of urban stress they would have a luckier life than the rest of the population.

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  45. bi5hop83 said:

    Brilliant speech.

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  46. Steven Mark Ryan said:

    I feel a lot of empathy for people (who did not pick their genes) who end up struggling just to exist 🙁

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  47. Wind Roadways said:

    physicist here, chad IQ

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  48. FreeRangeSoyFarmer Goyem said:

    I have around a 110 IQ based off my AFQT score of around 70 something. I wish my IQ was higher tbh, problem is I seem to drop like 20 points under social pressure. Feels bad man.
    For some reason Im good at understanding very abstract and novel philosophical concepts/questions, for example existential questions, but perhaps thats only because I find those types of topics interesting and I have ample time to ponder them, or they are just easy to understand in general. Typically I only find the motivation to explore topics that provide some amount of catharsis or utility. Everything else I'm subpar if not bad at.

    The only thing Ive ever been skilled at is drawing but Ive reached a hard limit where impoving further would require an exponentially larger investment of willpower before I predict my skills would increase. At least thats my theory. All the easy oil has already been drilled up so to speak.
    Creating habits are my only hope I guess.

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