IQ HitList Special #6 with Tan Cheng Bock



welcome to IQ hitless special I'm miss rasa – even IQ hitless special is inconvenient questions extended one-on-one interview that explores the views of an individual that you want to see now my guest today is a man that many Singaporeans wish to hear from directly and want to understand better who is he what's his motivation he first entered the public stage as a Member of Parliament of the ruling party thirty-four years ago 1980 to be specific winning 84 percent of popular votes in his constituency over the years he earned the respect of many Singaporeans for his straight-talking no-nonsense speeches in Parliament some of which challenged government policies and practices he stepped down as the PAP MP in two 0:06 in 2011 he re-entered the public stage in what you may say was a very different avatar as a candidate for the presidential election he lost to the winning candidate dr. Tony ton by a narrow margin of 0.34% last month on the 11th of March he held a press conference to formally announce his decision to contest in the next president election which has to take place before August of next year that's 15 months from now this led to widespread speculation of his motivation for making the announcement especially soon as the constitutional Review Commission had just been convened to focus on the elected presidency former prime minister go chok tong had this to say about his friend from school days his move was a calculated political gambit i've known him for over 55 years what he did was in keeping with this character so what did what was a response from my guest chop Tong knows that when I fight I fight and that when I want to do something I will do it so what exactly does this man hope to do if he's elected as president how does he plan to fight why is this mission so important for him what drives him what is his motivation who is he really that's what I hope to find out in the next 50 minutes dr. tank Jim Bock welcome to I think he's very much special well you know the first time I met you got to know you well or reasonably well was in 1989 I don't know whether you recall there's a long time a long time ago and in 1989 you came for the launch of our program a youth discussion program called contact why and you were representing the government and you came in your capacity as chairman of the event of the government feedback unit and well the discussion was very very candid if you recall many of this many of the youth who are mainly in the twenties professionals and so on they asked you very tough questions they were not nte government per se but they were critical of government policies some of the practices and so on you know and I noticed that you defended some of the policies you explained some of the policies but I remember it was refreshing to hear you actually acknowledge some of the points raised not necessarily agree but he acknowledged it right but what surprised me the most was in a few weeks after a few weeks after that in Parliament you actually raised some of the issues that were raised in this program and you said you attended this this discussion and the youth raised some of these critical comments and you urged the government to pay heed because we can't afford to lose the faith of our young people you know and you were critical of some of the policies and program produces at the point in time that would have incurred the displeasure of government now what made you do that I think there is no hidden agenda it's just a response and that is doubly my natural response to people who give me the feedback you need be it good or bit bad because there's a role the feedback chairman and I remembered I know is very long time ago I think these young people they were airing some of their views and I thought somebody's view should be reflected in the house you know it is very difficult to reflect views to to the house and being readily accepted because I always feel that the emotional element is not there in any feedback then when they gifted to the to our ministers and so on sometimes they read it they just I think they don't get the feel so this why do you feel that they don't get the view because all on the written form if I tell you I feel sad but that sadness is not reflected in that people so decide me usually it's not only for the youth I was I would sometimes try to let everybody in the house know that this is this is the condition of the ground because as the feedback chief then the ground feelings must be reflected and no doctoring I never dr. my feedback so when I remind the youth it tells me some of the concerns I think it is important not only in the minister's even my own members the Parliament my friends in the house should know that these are the feelings of the youth then and I think it is I'm quite happy to to let them have a to share with them their concerns they were does not that I have to I'm doing it just for them I think my when I was in the feedback unit that's how I handle my my feet belt you know you have raised several issues and you stood firm on several issues which sometimes even incurred had incurred the wrath or displeasure of of miss Lee Kuan Yew you know for example when when you stood firmly on the issue when you stood firmly against creation of the institution of nominated MP right you are very firm against very virulent so to speak you know what what was it about an MP scheme that you're so against you see I always feel that I asked myself when the issue was brought up whether these issues in the interests of the nation or is it in the interest of the party there was the first thing I asked myself because I'm put we are putting people in the house and these are not elected members they are nominated that was to me is also wrong because I feel that they must represent a constituency and there's no constituency for that for the nominate that I be to represent then I also feel that they wanted to select people based on sectoral representation which to me again is wrong sectoral is in different professions different professions and so on and I said no because in doing that you will displease those who are not selected and then it's a mix it makes a mockery for example to have a trade unionist nominated MP it looks as if that the the the unionist MPs elected MPs our abdicating the role to the non elected MP so I think for me I believe that if you the Parliament is is a political institution so many of them told me that I'd want to be involved politics I said no the moment you step into that house there's politics you talk politics everything there is politics so I said no don't give me that as an excuse you want to come to Parliament you come in the hard way and I think it's also important because we cannot promote people who are scared of fighting we want people in the house to really represent who are people who who were mixed ends and the stand will be challenged you know at every election now you you have use the word fight several times you know in in your in your speeches and statements right you you you said you would fight you'd be fearless in what I'll be fearless in what I do I will make sure that what I what I think is good for you people I will bring it up that is the role of the president if you are elected I mean in the last election this is what what you said so you use terms like you'll be fearless you will fight for what you believe is right now that sounds fairly combative that sounds like you you you are preparing for a fight you feel that there will be a fight but at the same time you've also said and I quote you I always have this vision that the president and Parliament should work very closely none of us should be combative I shouldn't go into the presidency with a feeling that I'm going to do so many things I'm going to witch-hunt check on this check on that and so on so there seems to be a little bit of a contradiction here because you use the term fight you use the term I'm going to be fearless which means that you are anticipating a fight yet you're advocating a less combative relationship between the president's office and Parliament and I believe the cabinet how would you reconcile these two well I think those words I use I would like to describe as a carry over from my parliamentary days is it as the difference between a parliamentarian and a president perhaps I was very carried away because as a parliamentarian I got to do the right things I got to bring up issues I got to challenge the government I got challenged the ministers so maybe I was still very you know only in mind I was still in the old mold old world but you I think what I did in Parliament bring it along to the if I become president but my parliamentary work and my parliamentary skills and so on he will not define the president what do you cause depression yes what is fundamental that you think will change if you were to become president because you have to follow the Constitution I when I was in in Parliament I followed the Parliament way of life but when I been as a president I'm actually I have to follow what is in the Constitution and that is to look after the reserves and to make sure that I get people capable to look after the reserves so it's a different thing you know so you cannot define don't define me yeah by my by my performance in Parliament to be a president I think it's a different thing it's a different thing I did everything with you which is why I'm seeking the clarification because there seems to be this contradiction but it's saying that's probably your past yeah it's a blurry that's coming I think it's difficult for me to change because there was a that was there there's a carrot carried over for six terms yeah six terms in the house I've been doing this all the time yeah so my choice of words may not be so proper but I want you to believe in more you're saying is that you believe that it should not be a combative relationship yes I I fully agree I think it's very important because if I enter enter the into it entering the office of the president and start making life difficult for everybody by asking all very the interfering I think this country will go to naught it will collapse because we will always be a quarterly I think the important thing is that I will have to go into the house well according to the Constitution look after the results and also make sure that the people who are looking after the reserves are the right people there in perhaps lies the concern in some quarters perhaps in government right because you have used fairly strong language in your last campaigning like fight fearless and so on you may have it inadvertently presented yourself as a combative candidate right now if I was if I was the government you can't blame me for for being very concerned that if this chap becomes a president and this is the kind of language and this the stance is going to adopt then we're gonna have a tough time because it's going to be a combative relationship how would you respond to that no I would still feel that no they shouldn't define me that way I think that that is very close they should be more open but can you blame them for feeling that I don't think I may be the language of course but they know my style that's my style but I'm also very reasonable in Parliament I've also praise ever thus supported many issues so or depends on the issue again that's the in Parliament I mean listen in the in let's say if the reserves were being asked or not even asked or just taken out without saying the president knowing I cannot be so gentle right I would definitely want a query but I think they shouldn't label people so fast do you think you've been labeled I'm sure I'm being labeled as what as being aggressive combative and you believe that if you are elected there won't you be I will be combative I won't be aggressive I'll be very reasonable unless they're unreasonable are you saying this because you're on camera no is this truly how you feel that's how I feel and I will I will I will conduct myself in the office because the most important thing is the interest of Singapore the people of Singapore cannot suffer you can imagine the government and me quarreling all the time I feel sorry I think this country will be in a big trouble there will be no progress whole life did bring something forward a bit challenging them you know that will never be my start and it'll be a gridlock and yes anyway you do not have the powers yeah we just which is my next question right mean in in the last election if you realize presidential election several candidates right had said we are going to challenge the government we're going to change this big to change that but it really sounded somewhat ridiculous at some point because the president will say that yeah you didn't but but what I'm saying is people need to be clear candidates as well as the public needs to be clear what except what exactly are the powers vested in the elected president right you've got the discretionary power said you can use right in protecting the reserves in the appointment of public servants senior public servants right and so on that these are very specific powers that you have at your discretion right in most other areas you do not have but there's a soft powers that person can use what are these soft powers I think the the president can warn the people I can report again one if there's some wrongdoing and how would you know that of course because I have that thing the president privilege to read all the cabinet papers okay you see and and I was also the policies that that are put forward I have like I'm sure I can know what is really good for the people and not good for the people but having said that I think if I know something is wrong there are many ways of skinning a cat right mm-hmm I can be very open and be confrontational and tell you this is terrible but I think I bring with me a lot of experiences not only from parliamentary experiences corporate banking that will put me in a better position to look at the issue and maybe discuss with the with a minister in charge of that policy and talk to him but earlier on you said that you have soft power and you illustrated it by saying that you would warn the people but what did you mean by one of the people how would you want the people I have to make a statement but if you make a statement in public are you not being adversarial no that statement will be made after my consultation with the so in either your consult what you're saying is your first line of action would me to consult and discuss this gasps a minister that's right and he was still very firm and doesn't want to change and I see that the policy is not very good for the people I have a right to at least wonder people then I do not agree with this if it's fundamental yes you would if your president exercised that right correct even if it ends up in an adversarial relationship with Parliament and cabinet I suppose if you come to that position you got no choice you know so that's the key that that would be a very rare yeah I don't think that well I think that means very very rare so by and large if I understand it correctly what you're trying to say is by and large you would seek a non confrontation yes non adversarial think that's importantly supportive there's very however if push comes to shove and you believe that it is in the people's interest is compromise then I have the sight with the people but that's your judgment that's my judgment and how would you exercise that judgment you unilaterally no I think I'll have that have the team of PCPA yes and I was thinking yes what do you think should be the relationship between the council the CPA a Council of presidential advisers and the president I think it'd be very correct it must be a very correct relationship that means I want to make sure that the composition of that that Commission will be a fair one and that is not one-sided and I'd like to believe those people who are pointed are capable people and as a president I have to heed the advice there's no doubt about it in fact III honestly I don't think I can go against Parliament on many issues yeah I can only advise them yeah you don't have the power I don't have the powers and if them either if the Parliament were to fund the bills I don't agree I just have to ask them to read again I send it back I don't give their sent they send it back the Parliament Parliament read again and if at the end of the day they still throw back to the president it shows that they don't agree with me yeah so I have to judge whether this require me to say something or not yeah you know one of the things that could be said because you're so direct sometimes about things and even not just as a as an MP but even in your last presidential election campaign you were quite blunt about certain things what you believe what you disagree with and so on there were some statements that suggested that you are very good in playing to the gallery no response to that no I think that's all labeling that's a fear I think we shouldn't label people just because you have differences yeah you must distinguish one I have a different opinion from you but when you make statements like that I can't challenge statements on I label you but what you must give me reasons why I'm playing to the gallery why do you think that statement was made that's I don't know what I don't know what when I can't remember which one I mean I mean peep I mean it's not something in the public domain but you know there was also talk about you know he's playing to the gallery so even even even in your press conference last month right March the 11th where you announced your intention to contest you know there was suggestion even by a good friend a former prime minister go chop tongue that it's a political gambit you know so there's always suggest it's not necessarily a politicized that is not playing together yeah but there is there's this suggestion that you you know exactly how to in fact there was a suggestion that you are politicizing the campaign now what do these things mean what does it mean by your politicizing the campaign I think is the choice of words I never I never politicize it because the president is a political and you believe that you should remain it's a political but it's very dangerous for them to say it's the politicized presidency I never politicized so the words didn't come from me it come from them okay I don't know who these people are but IIIi think it is important that that a position the president and the government must very clear in be from the beginning during my last Parliament presidential election my minister in Twitter actually told you see the press that the government will deal with whoever the president is elected accordingly that means if you don't like me then how so that is a state if you start I'm not being confrontational is there who want to be confrontational that's very dangerous why do you think dr. tan why do you think why do you perceive that the government doesn't like you but why do you perceive that I never perceive it I think they what do you think is the government's orientation to what reception is by I think they know that when I see something is wrong I'm gonna tell you that's very simple what what former PM go chok tong said about you described about you veganism you say it yes I'll be honest anyway I find something is not correct I'm gonna tell you I don't want to let the wrong go on question I have to tell you and that's exactly what we should do it's just no use going to the to be a president see something's wrong and just don't see anything I just can't imagine I I'm not that kind because I always had this fundamental principle that something is wrong you must correct it and the other thing is I must look after the people it's not playing to the gallery it's that I have always done it since my days as a doctor since my days as a MP I've always asked myself is this in the interest of Singapore of Singaporeans and it is in the interests of Singaporeans I have to stand by them so simple as that okay so so yes if it is not in the interests of Singaporeans of the people and as president your interest is no more in the constituency is the whole country correct right yes the question that's being asked the question this often come up is yes that may be well and good but as the president elected albeit in Singapore you're you've got very limited powers you mentioned just now soft powers but really how how do you believe that the president can look into the interests of the people and is that your job isn't that the job of the government the things is his shed so I cannot say that I have no role okay just can't imagine I have no role that's that's trying to that's pretending so what is your cause elected by the people if you are nominated is a different issue yeah but the moment I elected you have a responsibility but because you are bound by the Constitution I cannot work beyond this to beyond the Constitution but still I think I have a duty to actually to to let the people know if anything is not proper that's so simple I don't see it I can't imagine a president sitting there singing soft rocks are so many wrong things and just letting it go it's I think I know my role my role is very small a call from the water Constitution very very narrowly divider it clearly defined but having said that I think the soft powers as I said has occasionally come into play and I think is very rare but don't let those things define me I think that is wrong those things meaning all those things I've just said that the occasion occasionally p.m. and I have to do to do to arrow so you believe that such occasions would be rare or perhaps may not even have a yes right right but that would suggest that you have faith in the government yes I do have faith in the government what what on what basis is that faith because you have always yes I think if the president and the Parliament can and the Parliament can work together very well yeah I think Singapore would be a very good example for many countries that day we can have two to kemp's but sharing having differences occasionally by having a simple common goal and it's it's a it's not easy to work in the beginning because this I gotta create the trust so as the president I have to actually win those who are governing and those who are being governed I gotta find a comment stage for both so that I feel is the role of the president the president must ultimately be the unifying force doesn't mean that I have to just be looking after just the interests because our country's multiracial and I very strong believer multiracialism and with all this happenings around the world I always feel that the president will play a very important role in future so how big all we have to promote all this together next which which your position the Constitution is for yes you must because you're new citizens coming in you have got all these are new players so acting as a president you got to achieve win everybody together and if the government is good and the policies let's say let's say my first year in office and I see nothing wrong that a government has done a very good job I think I have to praise them a lot even issue a statement and say look don't worry Singaporeans they have done a good job and we should go along with emphasis but of course if they have done something wrong I also had similarly say the same to this day issue a statement but I think this are rare this is already what do you think would be what would be the three key strengths of the government today that you believe as a if you're elected as president you would seek to an in Euro I want more transparency but there is already you believe there's already I think there could be more okay there could be more tighter I say that I give a simple example of hepatitis C incident I think that's not enough transparency and you're a doctor I'm a doctor I know so I think that is a very important thing could you elaborate on that because what you it's a strong statement you're making that there's not enough there could be more transparency because if the disease was discovered in April yeah and you end you announcing a Feb in September something there's so many months and as a doctor I have two weeks if I see an infectious disease I have to quickly report within two weeks ago and here I don't know if they may have reported but it didn't come out we don't know so these were against there are too many gaps there are too many questions so if you are the president today mm-hmm what would you do I'll probably ask the Minister of Health but why you do it and and they have to given an explanation if the explanation is not satisfactory then I suppose I have to say that is not a good answer and who would you say that – I just I think if I if I were to tell the minister that I don't quite agree with him I think that's sufficient for the whole Singapore instance between you and him but you said earlier if you feel that this is something but if I find that there's something I will have to report something that is negligent negligent and it's not just a genuine yes it's not something I have to report that is usual botting yes I should yeah but what if in the process of reporting your scene is being adversarial no I don't think that's a vessel that is actually notifying the notifying that this is not done correctly because in the interests of tougher Singapore this could have spread more we don't know he may not be hepatitis C how do I know there are many other things we don't know so we want to get the motion the manner in which you conduct your FS correctly in other words every stage must be must be explained what are the other two which one you asked you to highlight maybe three what are the other changes because your slogan in the last election was what for change what for me so what's the change you'd like to see the signs of transparency I think the other thing is I have to make sure integrity is that are you suggesting it's not no I'm not saying that there's no integrity I think I want I think I want it to be I want to question if certain process is not very correct I give it a piggy another example of the five boxes they were missing in my presidential election 2011 2011 now I have a right to question Singaporeans have the right to know so because that affects the integrity of a whole opposite of integrity yes and if this is not corrected or they work for so many years I think we were to not you know it's not very good for the country so it is important that the Singaporeans must know that well there's integrity here it was just elapsed but I have to make sure but if nobody questioned if we will just be just like you know just passed by and I don't think it's good for us because one day somebody will take it out with you I don't have a question or this you know these are things I think very important so what you're saying is each of these actions where there is even a hint of or question of integrity even if even if it's just a perception mm-hmm it needs to be addressed it needs to be addressed because we we are we have pride ourselves as a country where we value all this all this for this integrity independence and and we just know we are talking about what transpired transparency we cannot just talk we must have action and we must be confident enough to tell them that look this is a situation there's nothing to worry but what's the third factor that fact change change how do you want to see change oh my goodness I let me think I just suddenly you're talking area of multiracialism oh yeah Marty Mia you see I think multiracialism is so important to me because I was I studied in reading math school it's a Malay compound and we all enjoy each other's company we all color blind and then now I also worried because the world is changing people are questioning you know people's religion and so on and race so I think I would like to make sure that I will be a person that they can come to and talk things over if anything happened I don't know take it for granted we had to work very consciously and very effectively would you say I mean the government has been paying a lot of yes very good I I must say that so what would you change from what is being practiced right now no this not doesn't mean I have to change by BBI enhance it enhances probably enhance it I will promote more how I will reach out to more because I can also help the government doesn't mean that as a president I must be there just to challenge everything if the government has very good programs I'll be there too I'll be too happy to walk up along with them what do you if we go back to the presidency right what do you think would be the four or five fundamental qualities that an elected president or a president should have I think the most important thing I feel is independence because he cannot be beholden to any political party he cannot be he cannot just because give you if you are not independent I can't imagine when the issue come to me I'll have a very clear judgment of what I want to see because because of my attachment I see to a political party that would cloud my judgement in do you think is an expectation of a certain residual attachment to the PAP since you had served six terms as a PAP MP yes I think I would say that is not a disadvantage what is not a dis about that my so stationed with a PE before I don't think it's like do you think today they mean today I mean in the last election presidential election 2011 you had projected yourself as an independence yes and and you moved away from your association with the ruling party correct yes you were member of in a loyal member of for a long time committed member do you think that might be part of the problem they may see is part of the problem not me well because there is a lie at exit understanding the view belong to the PAP and you want to do anything you could be a Sikh permission okay but I can't imagine me wanting to be a president having to ask my party my former party then excuse me I want to be a president can I resign I don't think that's in me and how would peoples in Singapore react if they know that I actually sought permission for my party to stand as a president I think happy ashamed I can't do that so that's why I have to leave and it's sometimes very disappointing that some like some of the pp-put people think I'm a traitor and so on but I'm serving the country are you turncoat no I'm serving the country I have a right to serve the country I have done my best for the party but I also want to do more for the people and I think in the present in the capacity of a president I can also contribute effectively what are the other qualities that you think so one is independent use and is the most important what are the other qualities I think in the integrity okay Tom Tegrity is very important independence integrity I think this basically is very important but you've also talked some time back about being a unifying factor oh yes I just mentioned to you what what does that really mean ally I said this is a multiracial society and I think I I I want to play that role I think it's because in the last presidential to 0 1 2 0 1 before the presidential election I move around I went to the ground I watch all the election rallies opposition PAP and so on and I found that there's a lot of there's a lot disunity that people seem to be by so fresh like it's all fraction you know fragment effect mentally and so on what do you mean by disunity well everybody seems to move in different directions maybe it's policy another part of the political parties are having different ideologies different manifest manifestos and so on but that is during the political arena fight but at the end of it we should all sit around together don't worry whether which political party you belong to we should be also be friendly understanding and occasionally meet and talk and no problem but and I did it you know I had a look you you've always had a good relationship just don't I have I have a good relationship with everybody jump seat Tom larkey and silver limb well everybody but one interesting point I want to highlight this after my last presidential election again I gave a post party dinner and I make sure all the political guys all different political parties all sit around one table and let them see how they react Mike sorry area mix okay but it was very interesting because at the end of the day one of the chaps when I think worker's party I mention you say you know doc you are the only one who can get me to sit here facing a PAP guy and having a dinner to me I think it's very good because this is what we should do after the event of all the political in firefighting we should be able to enjoy this sort of relationship that's how we build unity is how we build a nation doesn't mean that every time you belong to this political party are not with me or against me and so on but every one of us got differences let us express of differences and I always believe is to all these differences we finally come to a good answer good solution because if you don't even only listen to your site then it's not so good because you have no monopoly of ideas that's always you gotta share learn from each other so I I feel that if I'll try I know it's difficult but isn't by what you say as an excuse for not trying because as I said we must maintain many people think multiracialism for granted don't I think you know we have to release stress very strongly on the issue and I and I'm sure the government has done good and I go along with them we will work together because we are building this country so they shouldn't think the president is somebody who's coming in just to make things difficult for them I got a song feeling sometimes they fear me because they think I'm gonna question them on everything but they should know I've in Parliament for 26 years I have also supported many things I've defended some of the issues for very strongly in Parliament and that's it I think they shouldn't I think we can work together and I'm sure it if you if you if we work together as a team with differences coming to find good and for the people that is the way we will develop a very good political system here what would you say we're coming to the end of the interview what would you say are some of the concerns I mean you said you walk the ground could you highlight what you consider some of the major concerns of Singaporeans today maybe three most important cause I think health care ok health care our aging population and I think basically these are the tool – currently of course the jobs are the small and medium-sized industries but healthcare is going to be a very big and important factor for for us because the aging population new diseases new disease pattern coming up and so on and the cost is very high and I think we don't have the sufficient institutions to take care for all because I want to believe that this is what I I would advise the Minister for example you're talking about step-down okay yeah all the step-down care because I'm in health I know very well for for example I would advise them don't be so big hospitals hmm are you big such big hospitals with so much connectivity if there's a infectious disease they would spread yeah because passing all everybody walk into your hospital in and out the same way I would like to have this smaller Hospital standalone Hospital there's a best for our for the country more better and I would like to look into our financing I always believe that we depend too much of the CPF to finance our healthcare system everything don't worry you got CPF be so we are only chasing costs we are not containing cost so these are the things I am concerned step-down care is a bit too not enough long time ago we realized that as there's also there's a fundamental shift in part in health care know if that that be the case because we put too much money institutional care we have forgotten the oddity the the what I call the outlying care yeah all the preventive health care so your healthcare your this all folks aging age issues but the other one is the use the media young people using the media how how do we help them how is the government going to do it I see there are a lot of programs coming up and I think that is a great direction you have to be you have to but doesn't mean you you cut them so much but these are all highly complex issues yes not only the Singapore government but I would imagine that governments all over the world are grappling with right so you're you're right I think these are these are definitely issues that keep the government rightly so awake at night the question is as the president if you are elected what do you think is your role in contributing I think you can give them inputs because sometimes you get an external input is very useful I like to do I like to believe that because sometimes when I talk to me and suddenly somebody to come in tell me this is the ways things to be done so you must be prepared to to to listen prepared to to get advice and as a president if I see something I can contribute I will tell them doesn't mean every time you talk to a minister you call him column Minister up to talk it's always during bad times I think that's the worst when you want to discuss things always make sure that is in the mood is correct there's no no issues so when you talk you somehow rather you're able to put across some of your points better that's my philosophy I never end there's a big issue I don't I do come back home now we talk but this year I think that is wrong so dr. tan maybe as a final wrap-up question it's more personal what do you think was can you could you give me an example of an event an experience in your life perhaps in your earlier years of life in in school that has shaped the way you think and do things I mean for one I know that you were a scout a very committed scout for a long time and I remember some time back you know you and former prime minister go chop dong talking about how scouting has actually shaped the way you are a person yeah so could you highlight something that is saying I know what way we acquire you're coming from I like to believe that it was an event that shaped my life not so much by scouting Dinka my scouting this was fun and that's very good but I remembered and I was in president RI at age of 16 my father passed away now there was very traumatizing but then but something cropped up actually I had to I wanted to leave RI I want to leave the school because we have no money but then I discovered when my father died there were he he actually was entitled to a graduate a fun on a singapore harbour board mmm so there was about 28,000 mm but so well I went to the to the union's to the hub about Union and they threw me out you say look this is your father's in areas so there for you guys is not entitled to this money then but I know you know when you're young you don't even understand what areas ya know what heck is happening then I went in checked is a actually my farm my father got a receipt the last receipt so he can be in areas because I saw the advice of my uncle and my friends but then I went back they said no we change the Constitution your father's son has been cut to 14,000 and and anyway he's not entitled because he didn't pay the other dues so I went to RI I went back I wanted to see I'm the leaf but fortunately in my class there was a gentleman copy – wha whose father was just this jar so I consulted he brought me to see his father and his father his father was very kind to taught me how to go about it so I advised me to go to legal aid Bureau so I went to leak it butyl but those that period of my life is very taxing I have the mid unions I got got to go to every age of succeeds yeah I got to go to the legal aid Bureau and nothing came out and I was running browning round and my mother was asking me what's happened and what's happened and I gotta give tuition I got to go keep I almost feel I think things I'm but thank god I'm quite quickly passing exams but to cut the long story short I asked very direct question to the legal aid Bureau and also to the unions unions won't tell me anything because I discovered that Union was actually the secretary know that the general was Jimmy Singh mmm yeah messin and Lee Kuan Yew they're all very good friends you know I'm not saying there's sometimes some collusion asan but I couldn't break true then one morning or in the papers that it was a breakup between in a pap with embarrassin and then he once based on socialism and up PAP so I said oh maybe I'd want to run so much ready well what what is that lesson he learned the lesson was you've got to be determined you got to do what you believe in and you got to work hard at it there's no wheel and you cannot depend on people to help you so as a 16 year old boy I was running up and down trying to give me ends meet for my mother and so on but when that happen when I finally got my money it was mainly broken and there were a barnacle fourteen thousand but there was the first fish that we bought for the family but that that event taught me a lot how to be yourself how not to be afraid because when you turn around everybody I went to the homes of all the people who are supposed to in the same work force as my father and everybody chased me out so can you imagine you're being shown you know here there so when go back to school want to give up but somehow other isn't know if you believe that youth this is the right thing to do do it so that's how I never regret but I went through hell but it was a good experience and I think it carried carried my life my lifestyle maybe to Parliament – we're working in a marque in clinic and I'm always believe in that do it did you believe in him dr. thanh chamber thank you very much for joining us thank you that was dr. thanh Ching Bach who has declared his interests in contesting in the next presidential election this has been IQ hit list and please find out who else has been on IQs hitless who else has been interviewed log on to our website www.realisticpencildrawing.com

28 Comments

  1. Jean Gian said:

    I want more transparency. The Hepatitis C incident needs more transparency. The disease was discovered in April but was only announced in September. There are too many months, too many gaps, too many questions. The minister of health has to be questioned. They have to give an explanation.

    I have to make sure integrity is there too. I want to question in certain process which is not correct. The 5 boxes that were missing during the presidential election 2011. I have the right to question. Singaporeans have the right to know. That affects the integrity of the whole system. If this not corrected, all that we have worked for so many years will go to naught. It is not good for the country.

    If nobody questioned, just pass by, I don’t think it will be good for us. One day, somebody will take it up and ask why you all never question this?

    WHY NOBODY DARES TO QUESTION?
    WHY NO TRANSPARENT ANSWER?

    SINGAPOREANS! YOU NEED TO QUESTION YOUR GOVERNMENT!

    YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW!

    June 26, 2019
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  2. Jean Gian said:

    TCB has the RIGHT WORDS:

    The most important thing is the interest of Singapore. The people of Singapore cannot suffer.

    I think they (the government) know that when I see something is wrong, I’m going to tell you. I will be honest and if I find something is not correct I’m going to tell you. I don’t want to let the wrong go UNQUESTIONED. That’s exactly what we should do.

    It is no use to be the president, see something is wrong and just don’t say anything.

    I must look after the people. It is not playing to the gallery. If it is in the interest of the Singaporeans, I have to stand by them.

    The ELECTED government or president has the responsibility to serve the people, not personal interests. Accountability is tied to it.

    GE19/20 is crucial to SG people for the next 5 years. The last 15 years have been evident for your intelligent choice unless you are STUPID or INDIFFERENT.

    June 26, 2019
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  3. Fukin SG Invain said:

    (SA)TAN CE BOK PAN TAT HAHHAHAAHAAHAHHAHAHAHA

    June 26, 2019
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  4. maximus alexander said:

    The problem is not the Dumb Politicians….But the Dumb people that keep voting them in…..sighs!
    Temasek58

    June 26, 2019
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  5. Thang Victor said:

    Very smart thinking.

    June 26, 2019
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  6. Thang Victor said:

    U are Chairman Mao…

    June 26, 2019
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  7. Thang Victor said:

    His English is very good.My son will be like him.Amen…..Very humble man

    June 26, 2019
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  8. GAN BOON MENG said:

    Go TCB go…give this bullshit government a kick in their Ass…kick out our birdbrain PM…

    June 26, 2019
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  9. Leanne said:

    Great facilitator !!

    Chance upon this. I do wonder why one seems to think if he doesn't know, or not involved, means not transparent (on HepC) ???
    Maybe he is unprepared, his mind appears to be everywhere. "Let me go in, I will try, work hard and challenge issues for you?"

    Govt or President needs intended high/broad/ground level considerations. TCB made many sweeping comments…. 'no one is listening and no one is taking feedback… abit baseless n insulting to many that's progressing. Wonder if he is on social media etc.

    In this new world, leaders have to be measured, thought must be clear and forward looking.
    I dun believe this red dot govt/nation has space for 'trial' and try and take raw comments from a casual President who standby to try…

    June 26, 2019
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  10. Susan Ngin said:

    Tis man truly cares for spore n spore citizens. He dares to speak up if some thing is wrong n put it right. Hope he gets many voters for the coming election n hv a voice in parliament too.

    June 26, 2019
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  11. Ebrahim Ali said:

    Singapore want become good leeguvan family go out not helping Ex -singapore citizen family only himself no freedom so go out leeguvan u family

    June 26, 2019
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  12. Thang Victor said:

    Best man in Parliament

    June 26, 2019
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  13. William Seet said:

    He is not suitable to be SG president as he is too realistic. "Nabi sent depict realistic approach, non-center perspective, but by the Nazi concept of the subjective and decorative out of form".

    June 26, 2019
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  14. Frankie Lee said:

    When you have a good man, rope him in, not kick him out.

    June 26, 2019
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  15. Frankie Lee said:

    There is one angle, no Establishment ever realised it. Let him be voted in as President, less a competitor, , rather than him running outside.

    June 26, 2019
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  16. berman lomasqueno said:

    Off balance…next time dont sit in n be fooled.

    June 26, 2019
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  17. Donald Tham said:

    I certainly agreed with Dr. Tan on his view with regards to Nominated Mps, after all they are selected by the PAP,

    June 26, 2019
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  18. Donald Tham said:

    Dr. Tan is a man of great integrity. He speaks for the rights of all ordinary citizens.

    June 26, 2019
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  19. Ang Hock Seng said:

    You make a mistake by to cinfrontation

    June 26, 2019
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  20. Ang Hock Seng said:

    Forget about president
    Work with opposition
    And stand for election

    June 26, 2019
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  21. Lim Edmund said:

    We need you Mr Tan .Please save us and and poor singaporean.God will bring you 3 generation good health and love from us.we will pray for you and your love one

    June 26, 2019
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  22. Ron Lim said:

    IN MY VIEW, THE PAP THAT CRAFTED THE CONSTITION AOR AN ELECTED PRESIDENT IS BASICALLY A CEREMONIAL ROLE THERE IS NO PROVISION FOR A POLITICAL ROLE THE CEREMONIAL IS JUST A SITTING BULL AND NOT A FIGHTING BULL IN THE POLITICAL ARENA. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE ELECTED PRESIDENT UNDER SUCH A CONSITITION CAN DO MUCH FOR THE PEOPLE. FOR EXAMPLE, THE PAP LEADERSHIP KNOW THAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR PEOPLE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE HUGE AND HUMONGOUS MINISTERIAL SALARIES, TAXING THE PEOPLE TO THE BONE ESPECIALLY THE LOWER-INCOME FAMILIES AND THE POOR, EVEN ON VERY BASIC NECESSITIESOF LIFE. THE MIDDLE INCOME ARE JUST MANAGING THEIR LIVES ON PAPER. LET ME ELABORATE. THE MAIN PART OF THEIR INCOME ARE TIED TO THE MORTGAGE OF THEIR HOUSING, MANDATORY CPF AND THE INCREASING COSTS OF LIVING EXPENSES IN SG THAT HAS BECOME THE MOST EX[ENSIVE CITY TO LIVE IN THE WORLD. THEY HAVE TO MAKE ENDS MEET. IF THE AVERAGE CITIZEN IS STRUGGLING TO LIVE THE LIFESTYLE OF THE RICHEST CITY IN THE WORLD WHERE ONLY THE FILTHY RICH CAN ENJOY. DO YOU THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WOULD SACTIFICE THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS TO DEFEND THE 10% FILTHY RICH AND THEIR FAMILIES IN TIME OF WAR? WISHFUL THINKING, SUPER FILTHY RICH. READ MY LIPS. CHINA RISE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE WHERE OUR LEADERS SHOULD PAY HEED TO AND LEARN FROM HARD TRUTHS OF REPEATED HISTORY. THE KOUMINTANG HAD BECOME CAPITALISTS, ELITES, IMPERIALISTS AND FILTHY RICH. I DON;T BUY THAT MONEY CAN PREVENT CORRUPTION AND GREED, THE REVERSE IS TRUE, ACCORDING TO MANY PHILOSOPHERS LIKE LAO TZE AND RELIGIOUS LEADERS. THE SITUATION IN SG TODAY HAS REACHED THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG OR THE TOP OF BUKIT BUTTOCK IN SG. THERE IS SERIOUS GROUNDSWELL AND UNREST HAPPENING ACROSS THE COUNTRYWHEN THE 2018 BUDGET WAS RAMMED THROUGH IN PARLIAMENT. THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL AND THE DAYS OF THE PLUNDER AND PLUNDER (PAP), THE MONEYTOCRATS AND MONEYTHEISTS ARE OVER. READ MY LIPS AGAIN. DR. TAN, THOUGH YOUR VIEWS ARE ENLIGHTENING AND CHALLENGING, THE PAP CRATED CONSTITUTION FOR AN ELECTED PRESIDENCY IS VERY RESTRICTED TO ONLY A CEREMONIAL ROLE. EVEN THERE IS NO SEPARATION OF POWERS BETWEEN THE EXECUTIVE AND THE JUDICIARY IN SG'S PARLIAMENTARY GUIDED DEMOCRACY. THE RECENT UNILATERAL CAHNGE OF ELECTED TO RESERVED PRESIDENCY AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE AND THE SPECTACLE OF THE WORLD AT LARGE IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF TOTALITARIANISM AND DICTATORSHIP. OPPRESSION AND SUPRESSION, VIOLATIONS OF RULE OF LAW AND HUMAN RIGHTS CAN ONLY LAST THAT LONG, MAYBE NOT IN MY LIFETIME BUT IT WILL DEFINITELY HAPPEN SOME DAY, A COUP, REVOLT OR A REVOLUTION. SG IS TOO SMALL TO LET THIS HAPPEN. OUR FOREFATHERS AND FOREMOTHERS EFFORTS WILL BE WASTED AND UTTERLY RUINED. THE CITY STATE WILL BE SWEPT AWAY IN A TSUNAMI.

    June 26, 2019
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  23. Kan Kwe Voon said:

    YOU DID NOT GET ELECTED BECAUSE GOD CURSE YOU FOR ENJOYING YOURSELF AND FORGET THE MISERY OF THE VERY POOR PEOPLE WHO CANNOT GO TO SINGAPORE GENERAL HOSPITAL FOR ILLNESS . WAN SIFU .

    June 26, 2019
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  24. Kan Kwe Voon said:

    THE ELECT PRESIDENT IS THIS MALAY WOMAN , SO WHY YOU STILL TRYING TO VOICE YOUR UNHAPPINESS FOR NOT ELECTED .

    WAN SIFU .

    June 26, 2019
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  25. Ramlan Kamal said:

    This interview is why the goal post shifted.

    June 26, 2019
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  26. Teck Hoh Ng said:

    This elderly man has the interest of the people at heart; and would play his role professionally if given a chance.The queries posed by the interviewer are unfair.

    June 26, 2019
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  27. Jacky Feng said:

    30 mins, i switch off, 2 conclusions: (a) what he wants cannot be institutionalize without the risk of tearing the populace in another dimension, (b) he should go back to parliament given what he wants, it is not the office of president

    June 26, 2019
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  28. TheOldmankk said:

    MIW may see you as what not the old PAP Ah Bock, but as a real Road Block to some of their policies. LOL……

    June 26, 2019
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