How Honda's jet engine technology is helping it in F1



welcome to Austria we're just a few miles from the Red Bull Ring which will this weekend stage the Austrian Grand Prix a huge race for red bull racing of course because Red Bull puts this whole race on owns the circuit and of course that also means it's an important weekend for Honda now we're used to the Red Bull advertising slogan that Red Bull gives you wings but actually it's Honda that has brought some airborne technology to bear in Formula One and Scott Mitchell is here to explain what that's all about so what exactly has Honda formula 1 engine technology got to do with jet technology well you wouldn't think very much would you pleasure making the very obvious joke to Honda's f1 technical director Toyota knobby the maybe they'd get the power upgrade looking for a just strategy engine in the back it's obviously not quite as simple as that so the cool story which which became officials of heard whisperings about it before but Honda first mentioned officially for the first time before the French Grand Prix was that their latest upgrade utilized a bit of collaboration within Honda between the f1 department at Sakura and Honda's jet engine program so Honda has an award-winning small business jet kourin the exact model name which means the H a 420 but don't quote me on that and basically this this jet which which is ultra successful and Honda is very very rightly very proud of it features twin turbine technology so the actual engine itself it's not like Honda suddenly going to gain a load of power because their combustion engine is the same as what's currently flying around Japan America and Europe it's basically it's the internal design technology and there's a crossover between the the fundamentals of getting the the turbines working properly in a jet engine and maximizing the most from the turbocharger in the mgh in the f1 engine so that's so in the broadest possible terms that's where the that's where the inspiration has come from it's the internal design of the turbo in EMG weight which obviously with these turbocharged v6 hybrids they're obviously quite important to get that right and obviously in this v6 hybrid turbo era there's been a huge amount of this attempt and this effort by manufacturers to apply different technology some of it seemingly quite distant like the jet technology but we've also seen combustion chamber technology from truck engines that kind of thing having a kind of tangental application in in Formula One but in terms of what this actually means well where are Honda with with their engine package and what has this helped them to do that they wouldn't otherwise well to do so as as we we reported before the French Grand Prix they've they've already brought a spec free engine for to this season which is their second upgrade of the year and it's very early in conventional terms but it's actually broadly on schedule as far as Honda are concerned and what they did in France what they had for France I should say is that they had mostly upgraded turbocharger and combustion engine that was the main focus of the upgrade and last year when they introduced their spec free which came a lot later in the season first rolled out in Russia but actually only race for the first time in Japan featured a massive step forward on the mgh side and it's these two areas mgh and turbo they've benefited from this jet engine collaboration so on the mgh and the turbo both of them are massively high speed rotation devices 125 thousand rpm that they're allowed to spin up to Honda has found it really difficult to reach that limit reliably and that has huge implications obviously first and foremost its reliability risk and second is that whole interaction between the combustor what the turbocharger does for the for the combustion engine and how it interacts with the mgh and obviously how the mgh operates itself so a number I will you H or an unreliable turbo or limited ngoh or turbo is fundamentally poor now obviously the way Honda designs internally its parts is a closely guarded secret very confidential but we understand that the broad the broad way of describing it is that it's the mr. blades the internal blades within the formula rotor basically that it's it's an aerodynamic design because it's all about how obviously it flows through those how it spins up and how about all interacts I don't pretend to be a genius about this I can just go off of what what gets explained to us and what this is basically facilitate is a crucial step for Honda first with the MGH last year and now this year with the turbocharger to be able to hit that 125 thousand are p.m. and work properly and efficiently high-efficiency turbo in MGH which as you'll probably better place to explain to me is absolutely crucial to the fundamental performance factors of a current f1 engine well yes there is an advantage in there although there's a limit to how much electric energy you can deploy that's how much you actually remove from the battery and you can actually use some of the MGH recovered energy directly Charice a sum it's kind of free energy which is extremely beneficial that's very very important and obviously Honda has made some very significant steps but if we had to pick where Honda is compared to Mercedes and Ferrari which are the the kind of standard setters in terms of engine technology where do we think they are because coming into this season we were quite confident that there'd be a good chance of a victory in Monaco and actually max what happened did give it a good go but we still had a win for a Red Bull Honda even though we've had a few podiums and consistent top five finishes well obviously they're not on Mercedes or Ferraris level and I'd wager as well that Reno's efforts and upgrades push them very close I don't think there's much to choose between Honda and Renault but I do think Honda has taken a significant step forward and is not that far off of Mercedes now I think we've got enough evidence over the first eight races of the season to say confidently unfortunately that the red bull isn't quite as potent a car as it was 12 months ago so I think that is arguably the biggest facts are in the Y Red Bull Honda having challenge for victory Mercedes have moved the goalposts from a car point-of-view now not from an engine point of view so that has made the season so far tougher Honda readily admits then it expected it to be I think they thought they'll have a a win in Monaco on under their belts right now and not just have two podiums and a third technical podium that they got in in Monaco before max Verstappen had his time penalty so that's a shame but it's what's encouraging is that not only does the work the Honda's done so far and all of this is well I say all of this it part of this is is influenced by this jet engine collaboration inside at Honda is it's these constant steps it's building blocks basically to give themselves unprecedented levels of reliability in terms of the Honda package and what that does is that then allows them to pursue more performance and it's all about balancing up the power unit and having something like it it's gonna sound like horrible business people globally optimized to power unit because the way that the way the internal combustion engine interacts with their with the the turbocharger the way the turbocharger then goes on to interact with the mgh how as you said how you use the MGH sort on its own how you use it in conjunction with the mg UK all of this stuff is absolutely vital to the fundamental performance of an f1 engine the fact that Honda has now got to this level where it's it's now happy with that reliability so it has the high efficiency parts that is desperately needed for so long but just hasn't quite been able to crack I think that's important for the longer term as well as for the now yet yes it continues them making that step the key getting closer to the benchmarks the key is everyone was always looking at first year together learning partnership for Honda and redbull in 2019 go for the title in 2020 you've got to keep those building blocks have a proper foundation in place and I think these upgrades are is much about giving Honda a better platform to build on than it is about giving them maximum maximum performance right now well the really important thing and the great thing for Honda is we do seem to be seeing this consistent progress they're building step by step by step they're not making as they did in the past some progress and then kind of sliding back down and having to do a different concept a different approach this is very very encouraging for Honda and as you say the power units they are kind of a virtuous circle should we say so you improve one bit I can have knock-on effects and you kind of build that momentum so very very positive for for Honda at this stage yeah I'd say that I don't want to go so far as to say it's always linear the Honda progress that we've seen over the last 18 months do you know since the McLaren deal fell apart it's always just been like this brilliant rise from Honda was just like okay there's not it's not suddenly shot up and yeah there you go a winning race is now but it's that they've took things all haven't they you know the fourth place with PA gastly at the start of of 2018 they're hitting the target to convince Red Boy well early in 2018 as well the upgrade at the end of the year that provided a big performance boost getting a podium this year and further and further development so it's been pretty much all good news from Honda's side well big weekend for Red Bull and Honda this weekend a home win for max Verstappen last year long shot maybe they can do it again but good progress from Red Bull and Honda

24 Comments

  1. Squirrel said:

    Nothing is helping Honda in F1, lol

    June 29, 2019
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  2. Aaron Barrett said:

    Next how Mercedes car tech is helping them in f1

    June 29, 2019
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  3. Chad Simplicio said:

    Keep talking about those Honda engine upgrades when Red Bull becomes more competitive against the current juggernat, Mercedes.

    June 29, 2019
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  4. Song Bai said:

    Even if they have rrrrrrrrocket ship they will be P11!

    June 29, 2019
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  5. Centenial Lowes said:

    keep trying, Honda !!!

    June 29, 2019
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  6. Mukund said:

    lol more like gp2 engine

    June 29, 2019
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  7. Ibnu Zandra BACHTIAR said:

    Vtec in F1???

    June 29, 2019
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  8. Mochamad Syarief Maulana said:

    Redbull seems think that they Honda will bring the magic to bring they car up to speed, so they just keep cheering Honda for their (small) progress while holding beer, watching them, not 'pushing hard' as Honda do.

    It's funny when they keep shouting for their engine upgrade and keep quiet on chassis and aero upgrade. They just become like McLaren last year, instead of went batshit on Honda, they just keep praising Honda to mask the problem, to make them looks faster then they do.

    June 29, 2019
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  9. Chris Miles said:

    Had to look it up … the Honda jet is so slow that it probably gets bird strikes in the tail… nearly as slow as a Cessna Slowtation.

    June 29, 2019
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  10. Robert Sparkes said:

    I’m confident Honda will make Red Bull a World Class F1 Team.

    June 29, 2019
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  11. Roland Lawrence said:

    & honda suddenly woke up and forgot about this "tech" somehow? …. mmmm

    June 29, 2019
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  12. Ray Lovelace said:

    Guess nobody's still alive that remembers the Lotus 56B. 1971. Emerson Fittipaldi, Reine Wissell, Dave Walker. Good in the wet. Period. Generally too heavy.

    June 29, 2019
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  13. Chopper Carsen said:

    Hmm, maybe inducing fuel into the exhaust side of turbo on a second stage compression fan to boost spool up at initial acceleration?

    June 29, 2019
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  14. David Fairbairn said:

    Yawn yawn yawn. All this tech but they can’t make the cars race closely. I know it’s an old argument but just get the cars to follow close. Doesn’t matter what engine is in it.

    June 29, 2019
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  15. Double666Trouble said:

    Nothing will help gasly he is gone at the end of the year.they probably already are looking for a replacement.

    June 29, 2019
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  16. FullOilBarrel said:

    Actually a insightful video, not like the ferrari is fastest crap

    June 29, 2019
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  17. Ben Asquith said:

    I hope their jet engines are more reliable than the F1 engines

    June 29, 2019
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  18. Mohd Mans said:

    Great video make us understand what's going on with Honda, thank you for that 👍

    June 29, 2019
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  19. RaptorV1USA said:

    Yeah….where was all this benefit when they started and on day 1 with McLaren they comprehensively shit the bed and continued to do the same for 4 years…

    What a bunch of bullshit …..

    June 29, 2019
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  20. W N said:

    VTEC! 🙂 It's all good when we can have 4 engine manufacturers competitive in F1. Too bad the regulations for 2021 has become such a joke that it can't attract Porsche or Audi into F1.
    Hybrid era really screwed up F1.

    June 29, 2019
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  21. Chris Reeday said:

    Sorry but the presenters of this channel are mind numbingly boring.

    June 29, 2019
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  22. jon gone gone said:

    attention honda : send the new factory honda chassis over to redbull, call it honda/honda with a redbull paintscheme. redbulls chassis isnt good enough. besides honda acura has played with the idea for years, honda chassis honda engine.

    June 29, 2019
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  23. Steve Maloney said:

    Why are they still running those ugly useless halo things

    June 29, 2019
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  24. DESTROYER67732 said:

    The two engine have nothing in common

    June 29, 2019
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